President Donald Trump looked like he was hung out to dry by Elon Musk and ally Sean Hannity, with the two men ignoring him and speaking over him in the latest instalment of the Fox News hostâs high-profile sit-down with the pair.
The trio bundled into the Roosevelt Room at the White House and almost immediately Hannity began to throw softball questions. The chat, which has been drip-fed to the public since Tuesday, quickly descended into a love-in. âI love the president,â Musk declared at one point. But in a new segment, released on Hannity Wednesday, a more eyebrow-raising theme became apparent, one where the president appeared to be sidelined by Musk.
The interesting arc began when the host asked the pair about the Musk-led Department of Government Efficiency and efforts to curb national debt. âItâs got to be solved, or thereâs no medical care, thereâs no Social Security, thereâs no nothing. Thatâs got to be solved. Itâs not optional. America will go bankrupt if this is not done. Thatâs why Iâm here,â Musk dubiously warned, painting himself as the hero here to save America.
The president at this point tried to chime in with a comment about Europe âtaking advantage of us,â but his âfirst buddyâ flashed him a look and continued talking, with Trump ceasing to speak immediately. Musk then made a glib point that more ârich people should care about the country.â
âSean, youâre a â â Trump fruitlessly re-attempted, as Hannity then shot across him and went straight back to Musk.
âThis is important,â he appeared to impatiently rebuke the White House chief, before asking Musk if he was âtrying to be president, as the media suggests.â
âYou are really here because your heart and your passion is this? And the president described you as beingâthis is the biggest thing you ever done," Hannity said.
Trump attempted, again, to reenter the fray. âThere could be nothing bigger. Thereâs nothing â â he said, with Hannity once more interjecting.
The Fox host said: âYouâre sending ships up to Marsâyou know, spaceships up in the sky all the time."
âThatâs peanuts,â Trump muttered.
Without referencing Trumpâs comment, Hannity went on: âAnd saving astronauts. Thatâs pretty big.â
âThatâs peanuts compared to what weâre talking about,â Trump responded, this time with a few added decibels. This had the desired effect: some attention. Hannity then asked in response: âItâs peanuts?â
âYeah,â Trump responded, happy with his lot. Ending the stuttering to-and-fro, Hannity again went back to Musk. âDo you agree with that?â he asked.

Slightly more eloquently than the president, Musk responded: âAmerica is the central pillar holding up Western civilization. That pillar must be strong. If that pillar falls, the whole roof comes crashing down.â
Trump again blurted out: âIncluding his ships. Including his ships going up.â
The rest of the chat rumbled on, with Trump soon blasting left-leaning media outlets, and parroting classic lines to satiate his loyal Republican voter base.
It comes amid claims, referenced by Hannity, that Elon Musk is actually in charge rather than Trumpâa point picked up after the interview by The Atlanticâs Tom Nichols, who wrote: âLike many Americans lately, I am seized with curiosity about who is actually running the government of the United States. But I am still not sure whoâs in charge.â
The official answer, of course, is President Donald Trump. The White House also claims that Musk isnât even the head of DOGE, or involved with the agency at all. In a court filing Monday, it was stated that Musk is a âsenior adviser to the presidentâ and has âno actual or formal authority to make government decisions himself.â