Donald Trumpâs longest-serving chief of staff revealed Tuesday how the then-president praised Adolf Hitler and met the dictionary definition of a âfascist.â
John Kelly, the retired Marine general who was Trumpâs Homeland Security secretary and then chief White House aide for almost 18 months, told The New York Times that Trump wanted to rule as a dictator. Kelly also shared damning recollections in an interview with The Atlantic about Trump once pining after âHitlerâs generals.â
Kelly told the Times that, after leaving Trumpâs White House in 2019, heâd decided he would talk on the record only if the former president made comments that deeply troubled him. He was therefore motivated to speak up after Trumpâs recent remarks about potentially using the military against the âenemy within.â
âCertainly the former president is in the far-right area, heâs certainly an authoritarian, admires people who are dictatorsâhe has said that. So he certainly falls into the general definition of fascist, for sure,â Kelly told The Times. âHe certainly prefers the dictator approach to government.â
âI think heâd love to be just like he was in businessâhe could tell people to do things and they would do it, and not really bother too much about whether what the legalities were and whatnot,â Kelly said.
And when asked whether Trump had any empathy, Kelly replied simply, âNo.â
Trump campaign spokesperson Steven Cheung called Kellyâs accounts âdebunked storiesâ and said he had âbeclownedâ himself.
Kellyâs interview came mere hours after The Atlantic reported that Trump, while president, expressed admiration for Hitlerâs Nazi generals. âI need the kind of generals that Hitler had,â he said in the White House, according to two people who heard him. âPeople who were totally loyal to him, that follow orders.â
Kelly told the magazine that when Trump asked him why he couldnât âbe like the German generals,â heâd asked if Trump was referring to âBismarckâs generals.â
âI mean, I knew he didnât know who Bismarck was, or about the Franco-Prussian War,â Kelly said. âI said, âDo you mean the kaiserâs generals? Surely you canât mean Hitlerâs generals? And he said, âYeah, yeah, Hitlerâs generals.â
The outlet also quoted Trumpâwho avoided the Vietnam War draft on medical grounds after being diagnosed with bone spurs in his heelsâas bashing veterans by telling a Cabinet official that âonly suckers went to Vietnam.â
The Atlantic piece was written by the publicationâs editor in chief, Jeffrey Goldberg. Four years ago, Goldberg was the first to publish allegations that Trump had slandered American troops who died in battle as âsuckersâ and âlosers.â
Trump has consistently denied making the remarksâbut Kelly, whose own son was a Marine killed in 2010 while deployed in Afghanistanâlast year confirmed to CNN that the stories were true. He doubled down in his new interview with the Times, claiming Trump insulted fallen troops on several occasions.
Kelly said during a visit to Arlington National Cemetery on Memorial Day in 2017âwhere his son his buriedâTrump asked what had been in it for the soldiers whoâd died in battle. âI didnât realize he was seriousâhe just didnât see what the point was,â Kelly said. âAs I got to know him, again, this selflessness is something he just didnât understand. Whatâs in it for them?â
Kellyâs blistering criticism of Trump echoes that of former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley. âA total fascist,â Milley said of Trump, as told to Bob Woodward for his book War.
The revelations come as Trump promotes a rally at Madison Square Garden to be held nine days before Election Day. Since the announcement, critics have compared the event to the 1939 pro-Nazi rally held at the Garden.
âWeâve held a lot of rallies, and weâre going to have our biggest of all at Madison Square Garden,â Trump told supporters at a rally in North Carolina on Tuesday night.
âWeâre going to make a play for New York. It hasnât been won in many decades, but with whatâs going on in New York, between the illegal migrants, and the crime theyâre causing, and hurting people so badly and all of the problems in New York, weâre going to give it a hell of a shot,â Trump added.
âSo we took Madison Square Garden, we filled it up, think of this, sold out, in three hours, done,â Trump said. âCan you imagine?â